From: Gerry Lawrence Date: 20:00 on 08 May 2007 Subject: Thunderbird hate ------=_Part_77297_31633481.1178650848061 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline SIgh. I've used thunderbird for years, even before it was thunderbird, netscape mail. It seems that developers for thunderbird and all other mozilla projects are hell bent on: 1) Adding as many features as possible, especially if their utility is questionable. 2) Making sure that the keybindings are always always always "microsoft" and can never ever be set back to "emacs" bindings. There have been many methods over the years to change the keybindings but they eventually don't work with distro-x,y or z and or get deprecated and/or don't work with every part of the emailer -- title bar, text area etc. I've tried them all. I may give up. Ironically the MAC version leaves these as emacs bindings. I guess all those ex-unix guys are mac guys now. Yeesh. 3) Make extra damn sure that the UNIX versions (et al) all have incredible stupid behaviors that can not be fixed. Like for instance, attachment handling. Now, I of course have mplayer, which can play wmv files. I'd like thunderbird to use mplayer to play WMV files. So, when you download an attachment, you can specify the player. And you can do it again next time as well because thunderbird can't remember it. There's a little checkbox to "always do this action" but IT'S ALWAYS GREYED OUT. I filled a bug against tbird years ago on this and have been, of course, summarily ignored. I've been told that all software projects are like this -- programmers don't want to fix the bugs they created yesterday, they're too busy writing new bugs. So while writing this I tried evolution. It handles the attachments a little better. It has some other annoyances that maybe I'll live with. I'll try it and if it works, thunderbird is going to fly away.
From: Yossi Kreinin Date: 08:57 on 09 May 2007 Subject: Re: Thunderbird hate Gerry Lawrence wrote: > > I've been told that all software projects are like this -- programmers > don't want to fix the bugs they created yesterday, they're too busy > writing new bugs. > I'm using the latest Firefox. I know that it's the latest Firefox, because it crashes once in two days on average. When I restart it (it does restore the session), it opens two new tabs: * google.com (the home page) * "You've updated to the latest version of Firefox" As long as I don't forget to close the new tabs, which accumulate with the crashes, it's not entirely unusable, but pretty damn hateful. I wonder if it's just their code or the interactions with the stone age Linux this workstation runs. I heard Microsoft wants to patent "a method for delivering updates" or something, I don't remember the exact name they used for the "technology" of silently and continuously fucking up the OS by downloading patches from the web. This is one excellent initiative. Maybe it will render the "You've been fucked by the latest version of Firefox" thing illegal.
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